tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102011983044483938.post7441703440423851387..comments2023-07-05T04:03:55.212-07:00Comments on BillHustonBlog: UPDATE: Ongoing water crisis in Franklin Forks PA (Please Read / Please Help)Bill Huston 1http://www.blogger.com/profile/15288627254805985954noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102011983044483938.post-38074347357466386442013-11-21T14:28:17.651-08:002013-11-21T14:28:17.651-08:00Hi "james".
What PR firm do you work f...Hi "james". <br /><br />What PR firm do you work for? FTI Consulting? Dittus Communiction? Energy in Depth? (These are who IPAA uses). Ogilvy & Mather? (That's who BP hired to troll for them). Strategic Perception? ("Truthland") Ackerman McQueen? (WPX / "Down Deep"). Burson-Marsteller? (Exxon-Mobil) Hill and Knowlton? (ANGAA). IOGA-NY? Business Council? <b>Who are you working for "james" with a FAKE NAME? Who pays you to troll my blog?</b><br /><br />Ingraffea cites the 6% number for failed casing, but the number actually comes from Schlumberger. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DK3fODCZ3w#t=40m" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DK3fODCZ3w#t=40m</a>.<br /><br />All you PAID PR Shills know how to do is to insult people, slander people, try to "discredit" people. You can't present your own evidence, except evidence which you've funded. <br /><br />In fact, it turns out from the NOAA study in Colorado and Utah, that the 4% leakage rate estimated by Ingraffea-Howarth was quite conservative. The NOAA researchers measured more than DOUBLE, 9%. <br /><br /><a href="http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/01/02/1388021/bridge-to-nowhere-noaa-confirms-high-methane-leakage-rate-up-to-9-from-gas-fields-gutting-climate-benefit/" rel="nofollow">http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/01/02/1388021/bridge-to-nowhere-noaa-confirms-high-methane-leakage-rate-up-to-9-from-gas-fields-gutting-climate-benefit/</a><br /><br /><b>Now get lost. AMSKRAY Troll someone else's blog.</b> Stop wasting my time. You've admitted you are a FAKE NAME, an IMPOSTER. You insult others with being "discredited" and you can't even use your real name? GET LOST. I'm not publishing any more of your bullshit.Bill Huston 1https://www.blogger.com/profile/15288627254805985954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102011983044483938.post-59099482676584070922013-11-21T07:01:08.705-08:002013-11-21T07:01:08.705-08:00The 6% figure is from Ingraffea. His Cornell colle...The 6% figure is from Ingraffea. His Cornell colleagues, Lawrence Cathles, Larry Brown, and Andrew Hunter have discredited his and Howarth's "opinion" on "The greenhouse gas footprint of natural gas in shale formations" in July of 2012. Why on earth would I ever believe anything Ingraffea has to say when Energy Secretary Ernest Moniz and former secretary Steven Chu have both derided Ingraffea publicly? Chu and Moniz are at the top of the heap in the science community....Harvard no less. Poor Prof. Ingraffea has chosen his friends poorly....Yoko Ono, Josh Fox, Mark Ruffalo, Debra Winger - all landowners in upstate NY with mansions for summer homes that they bought on the cheap. If fracking is so dangerous, why have 30 states permitted it with California's Enviro Gov Jerry Brown being the latest to jump on the bandwagon? So the gov's of all these states can poison their citizens? Come on, Bill.... Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00121379410396317873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102011983044483938.post-70748408527951544472013-11-20T15:53:10.590-08:002013-11-20T15:53:10.590-08:00"james": there is a very big difference ..."james": there is a very big difference in the need for accuracy between an industry engaging in extremely dangerous activity, all the while spending big $$$ on PR (PROPAGANDA) trying to convince us that it is safe, and DENYING any blame over any water contamination, and me, a blogger/journalist trying to black-box understand what is really going on with very little access to what is mostly considered "proprietary information". <br /><br />I am not demanding perfection from the gas industry. Because I know it is impossible. <br /><br />You're an engineer, then you are certainly familiar with the concept of a Safety Factor, yes? It is possible-- and NECESSARY engineer bridges, airplanes, the space shuttle, etc. which a very high safety factor such that the MTBF of critical components is on the order of 500 years. Whereas the MTBF of parts of a toaster might be 50 hours. That is 5 orders of magnitude difference. <br /><br />NY is projected to have 70,000 wells for NY. If we had 2-3 casing failures and/or serious incidents of water contamination in all of those, then I think most would consider that an acceptable level of risk. <br /><br />However, we know the actual rate of INITIAL casing failure is 6%. So for 70,000 wells, we can predict there will be OVER 4,000 casing failures. Each one of those has the potential of contaminating aquifers and ground water. Most people when presented this would say this is an UNACCEPTABLE level of risk.<br /><br />The ONLY way these gas companies can make any money, is to AVOID paying for the TRUE COSTS, including costs of clean up, through regulatory exemptions from the Safe Drinking Water Act, Clean Air Act, and other exemptions. <br /><br />If they made this industry truly safe by increasing the safety factor commonly used in civil engineering projects, airplanes or bridges, it would be so expensive that it would not be worth it to go after the gas at all. Bill Huston 1https://www.blogger.com/profile/15288627254805985954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102011983044483938.post-22474416588921212772013-11-20T14:01:09.725-08:002013-11-20T14:01:09.725-08:00Bill: I find it interesting that you and those tha...Bill: I find it interesting that you and those that think like you demand something from the gas companies that you do NOT aspire to yourself: perfection. This statement says it all: "I consider getting the answer within 1 order of magnitude "close". My engineering training and discipline abhors "close" and that is why perhaps our sides are so far apart. One spill on a drill pad and you demand fracking be banned. There is nothing that humans design and develop that is foolproof. Make no mistake, I am as suspicious and skeptical of a gas company in the same manner as I am of government or any other company or corporation. They all must be held to extremely high standards. I would be very angry if a gas company, through proven negligence and bad practices, polluted my land. On the other hand, we as a nation need energy NOW and some element of risk will always be with us. Think of driving a car when you think of risk. Later.... Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00121379410396317873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102011983044483938.post-42021386048693851712013-11-20T08:00:53.053-08:002013-11-20T08:00:53.053-08:00PS: I'm not building a space shuttle here. I a...PS: I'm not building a space shuttle here. I am only trying to get an idea of the volumes and forces involved. These are all estimations. <br /><br />I consider getting the answer within 1 order of magnitude "close". Bill Huston 1https://www.blogger.com/profile/15288627254805985954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102011983044483938.post-61695161115510127092013-11-20T07:58:56.855-08:002013-11-20T07:58:56.855-08:00Hi "james". I just checked my math. Look...Hi "james". I just checked my math. Looks like you have spotted an error. Most of it is correct:<br /><br />1: 4.3 M gal = 574,826 cubic feet<br /><br />2: diameter of a cylinder 4,000' long (lateral length) with that volume = 13.527 ft. I rounded it to 13.5'. <br /><br />3: 4.3 M gal / 18 stages = 31,935 cubic feet. <br /><br />4: A sphere with that volume has a RADIUS of 19.68'ft. I reported it as a diameter of that size. So the actual diameter of 39.4'. This is an error of a factor of 2 (not 7). However when we convert to volume the r is cubed, so it becomes an error of 8x. <br /><br />This is extremely counter intuitive, that it takes 18 spheres with a diameter of 39' to equal 1 sphere of diameter 103'. (It seems to me that number should be far less). <br /><br />Anyway, I will correct this elsewhere. Thanks. Bill Huston 1https://www.blogger.com/profile/15288627254805985954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102011983044483938.post-11181661217720335532013-11-19T18:00:31.961-08:002013-11-19T18:00:31.961-08:00Bill: MAJOR problem here: "If we just look at...Bill: MAJOR problem here: "If we just look at the lateral where the frac stages occur, 4.3 million gallons is like a cylinder 13.5 ft in diameter 4,000 ft. long." In another post you showed eighteen 20 ft diameter water balls along a lateral for comparative purposes. Check this out: volume of eighteen 20 ft water balls = 75,341.16 cubic ft and the aforementioned cylinder volume = 572,265 cubic feet. Being an engineer gets one through the fog. Feel free to check my calculations. You are off by a factor of 7.595. A mistake of this caliber brings into question the rest of the article, no?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00121379410396317873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102011983044483938.post-41107603455817327302013-11-09T12:17:14.947-08:002013-11-09T12:17:14.947-08:00This is a big problem for NY with its shallow shal...This is a big problem for NY with its shallow shale. Bill Huston 1https://www.blogger.com/profile/15288627254805985954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102011983044483938.post-28493734371582872162013-11-09T12:15:49.076-08:002013-11-09T12:15:49.076-08:00Industry data: "Some fractures extend more th...Industry data: "Some fractures extend more than 1,500 ft above the bore depth".<br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdvknUIFt6E" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdvknUIFt6E</a>Bill Huston 1https://www.blogger.com/profile/15288627254805985954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102011983044483938.post-39448935750055611002013-11-09T12:12:11.321-08:002013-11-09T12:12:11.321-08:00Since you asked :)
Volume of a cylinder 11,000ft ...Since you asked :)<br /><br />Volume of a cylinder 11,000ft long with a diameter of 4 inches is 960 cubic feet. 960 cubic feet = 7181 gallons.<br /><br />4.3 million gallons is ~575,000 cubic feet. The volume of fluid in the pipe is 0.14%, or less than 2/10ths of one percent of the total volume of fluids. <br /><br />If we just look at the lateral where the frac stages occur, 4.3 million gallons is like a cylinder 13.5 ft in diameter 4,000 ft. long.<br /><br />But this is unrealistic, since the perfs are small holes in the pipe, so we should assume the water jets go very far, much longer than assuming a cylinder of uniform distribution. Likely thousands of feet.<br /> <br />Remember that Paradise Road was 4,488ft (proven contamination). <a href="http://boulter.com/gps/distance/?from=41.649507%2C-76.307473&to=41.642115%2C-76.294386&units=m" rel="nofollow">http://boulter.com/gps/distance/?from=41.649507%2C-76.307473&to=41.642115%2C-76.294386&units=m</a><br /><br />Chances of contamination is worse near flood planes and valleys due to higher hydrostatic pressure (frackers know this well, and the NY Regs reflect this fact). Franklin forks is both valley and flood plane. Also there is a fault line running E-W within 1,000 ft of the affected homes (dumb to frack a fault). Do you think WPX geologists know there is a fault there? Duh, of course they do. Do you think WPX KNOWS beyond a shadow of a doubt they destroyed the water wells of those homes? Of course they do!<br /><br />Have a look at this video and imagine the pressures involved: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPE2RU5099U" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPE2RU5099U</a><br /><br />With my knowledge of physics, I would say that there is a significant risk of groundwater contamination at least 4,000 ft in every direction off the lateral.<br /><br />The <b>Duke Study</b> suggest this also.<br /><br /><a href="http://sites.duke.edu/english211s_01_s2013/2013/03/21/fracking-remediated/" rel="nofollow">http://sites.duke.edu/english211s_01_s2013/2013/03/21/fracking-remediated/</a>. While a well is active, we see a spike of methane migration in water wells from 0-1000'. Over time, we see that move from 1000' to 4500'.<br /><br />Where there is methane, there is a vector for fracking fluids.<br /><br />I hope this is helpful. Have a nice day :)Bill Huston 1https://www.blogger.com/profile/15288627254805985954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3102011983044483938.post-20482949336937288682013-11-09T07:40:33.574-08:002013-11-09T07:40:33.574-08:00Bill: Let me get this straight: Do you really beli...Bill: Let me get this straight: Do you really believe that frack fluid over 7,000 feet down at the end of one of the 4,000 ft long drill bores actually migrated up to the Manning's well (star location)? Or are you saying it is methane alone? Have you ever calculated how much volume 4 million gallons of frack fluid fills a 4" diameter gas pipe that is 4,000 feet long horizontal and 7,000 feet vertical?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00121379410396317873noreply@blogger.com