Monday, July 10, 2017

7-24-2017: Happy Anniversary! ("Russian Hacking" Myth)


(Email exchange on Sustainable Otsego)

Richard, can you please Fact Check you assertion that "of course they [Russia] hacked the election"? Original sources please.

I have followed this story like an idiot savant for the last 11.5 months. I will tell you, I know of NO SUCH EVIDENCE. 

However, there is a SHIT TON of evidence that the DNC used FRAUD to kneecap Bernie, and MADE UP, INVENTED, & Falsified the "Russian Hacking!!!" story (and variations) as a DIVERSION and PSYOP to get our attention away from Wikileaks, DCleaks, Gucciffer 2.0, and Seth Rich. 

But YOU'RE IN LUCK TODAY!!!!
I have a special treat 4 You! 

Your idiot friend (ME!) meticulously scoured the internet to find the ORIGINAL SOURCE of the "Russian Hacking" myth! (which morphed into Russian Collusion) 

Here it is!!!!

Please listen very carefully to the exchange. What was the Question Jake Tapper ask Robbie Mook, to which his response was "Russian Hacking!"


Very interesting.

PS: Monday July 24th will be the One Year Anniversary of the Russian Hacking Myth. 

We should all get together and eat Borscht and drink shots of Smirnov or something! 

BH

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017, Richard Averett <raverett@frontier.com> wrote:

Of course they hacked the election, just maybe not the DNC emails, and they will get another chance in about 16 months from now
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Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: [sustainableotsego] [NYRAD] DNC may not have been hacked . . .

Yeah. Here's what happened

1) Dems invent "Russian Hacking" to deflect from HRCs weakness exposed by Wikileaks, including her own Russia Connection (Uranium One) July 2016.

2) At some point, lack of evidence causes Dems and MSM to morph "Russian Hacking" into "Russian Collusion"

3) CIA-controlled corporate media repeat "RUSSIAN HACKING!" then "Russian Collusion!" for nearly ONE SOLID YEAR!

4) After 11.5 months of digging, MSM "journalists" finally find something that sticks. 

Give me a break. 

Normally, a criminal investigation or a journalist BEGINS WITH EVIDENCE and then tries to formulate the narrative of the crime.

With this story, we BEGAN With The Narrative, and then dug for ONE YEAR to find evidence.

Am I the only one who finds this ODD?

BH

On Monday, July 10, 2017, Ellen Cantarow <ecantarow@gmail.com> wrote:
This was reported on Chris Hayes' show tonight as well as, I think, on Democracy Now. So yes, it's true.

Ellen Cantarow
On Jul 10, 2017, at 5:51 PM, Seeley, Karl <seeleyk@hartwick.edu> wrote:

Bill,

Is the article below a complete sham? A piece of propaganda?

It claims that the lawyer Trump Jr. met with was involved in defending Russian mafiosi who evidently had the protection of the Russian state. The same lawyer was lobbying for the lifting of the Magnitsky Act, a set of sanctions imposed in response to the death of another lawyer (Magnitsky) who was investigating tax fraud involving Russian tax officials.

If the article has its facts straight, there's very strong circumstantial evidence that the Trump campaign was indeed colluding with Russian intelligence and/or mafiosi.


You also seem to be strongly implying (though not explicitly stating) that Seth Rich was murdered as part of a Clinton and/or DNC plot.

For fuck's sake, even Fox News has recanted that.

If you're beating that horse, it's hard to take you seriously.

It's possible for Democrats to be bad and for Russia to have been malignantly involved in our election.

It's true that the U.S. has meddled in other countries' elections in the past. I still don't want the Russian government meddling in ours.

Russia's current government is a nightmare on steroids.I have a colleague from Russia. She would like to go back and visit family, but she's not confident that she'd be able to leave again.

Is she part of the DNC's propaganda machine?

If making your case against the D's requires exculpating the Russians, you're going to have a really hard time making your case.

Karl





On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 5:17 PM, William Huston <williamahuston@gmail.com> wrote:
Richard, you are entitled to your opinion.
As I do, mine.

The FACTS are, there is ZERO EVIDENCE to suggest that Russia has "hacked the election" or "colluded with Trump".

There is a SHIT TON of evidence which proves that
a) Hillary Clinton and her minions used FRAUD to hack the DNC'2016
b) She is an extremely flawed candidate, a career criminal with a 30 year rapsheet, under multiple felony FBI investigations, and she made many mistakes in her campaign.
c) the Democratic Party has a 40 year history of betraying the American People
d) Obama was really awful. I have a BIG LIST of Obama Crimes. The Democratic Party is at it's lowest membership levels since the 1920s. People are SICK of being lied to, and neoliberal abuses. The party lost over 1,000 seats under Obama.

Here is my opinion, since you shared yours:

Blaming Trump's presidency on Russia --(with ZERO facts to substantiate it)-- while IGNORING all these other facts.... is a kind of EPIC denial which is of such a staggering proportion, it's hard for me to put words to it, or imagine that anyone who utters it really believes their own words.
My advice to Democrats: LOOK DEEP INSIDE YOURSELF
and look at what actions (or inactions) YOU YOURSELF have made
(e.g., voting for corporate candidates year after year after year who are PRO WAR and PRO FRACKING and for everything you are against)
which have contributed to this crisis.
Try to find SOME MORAL CODE--
I don't care what, YOU PICK,
for me it's WAR and GENOCIDE,
which is a "line too dear to cross",
where you would NEVER, EVER vote for any candidate
who supports these crimes.

The first steps in solving this problem is
1) introspection / reflection
2) Values Quest ("what do I stand for?")
3) Try to have some f*ing moral integrity in your own life.
4) Stop blaming others and pointing fingers.

If you Democrats keep digging in like this,
then I fear ALL HOPE IS LOST.

Thanks,
BH




On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 4:57 PM, raverett <raverett@frontier.com> wrote:
NO...but we ended up with the short end of the stick on this one because we have an evil moron running the country now... and those we put in power were just evil!



From: William Huston <williamahuston@gmail.com>To: raverett <raverett@frontier.com>
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On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 2:18 PM, raverett <raverett@frontier.com> wrote:
but we cannot ignore the "fact" that Russia has hacked or tried to hack, other countries' elections


Do you mean Russia has a worse reputation for hacking foreign elections than the United States?



(and infrastructure) like in Ukraine & Estonia, so they tend to fit the m.o. - which unfortunately makes them a convenient scapegoat!



From: William Huston <williamahuston@gmail.com>
To: "NYRAD@googlegroups.com" <NYRAD@googlegroups.com>
Cc: SO <sustainableotsego@lists. riseup.net>; "shaleshock@yahoogroups.com" <shaleshock@yahoogroups.com>; "soexecutivecommittee@lists. riseup.net" <soexecutivecommittee@lists. riseup.net>
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [sustainableotsego] DNC may not have been hacked . . .

As I stated in this post: (visit for the graphic since even small images are rejected by SO listserv) 

https://facebook.com/photo. php?fbid=10211879308874817&id= 1133803981&set=a. 1070464038524.12093.1133803981

There has NEVER been any evidence of any "Russian Hacking" or "Collusion". All the evidence has suggested this story was concocted as a result of the Wikileaks dumps which showed the corruption inside the DNC, Clinton Foundation, and HRC campaign. 

I tracked down the FIRST occurrence of this Russian Hacking myth. It was an interview with Robbie Mook in July 2016.

July 10, Seth Rich was murdered. July 22, Wikileaks releases the DNC emails. July 24, Exactly two weeks later after Seth Rich's murder and two days after the Wikileaks dump, Robby Mook started the "Russian Hacking" story.

Full Timeline of "Russian Hacking" story, in context:

• Feb 11, 2015: John Podesta -- "I'm definitely for making an example of a suspected leaker whether or not we have any real basis for it."
(....)

• Jun 10, 2016: Obama meets w/Bernie, asks him to quit

• Jun 17, 2016: Despite the fact that Neither Dem Candidate had enough pledged delegates for the nomination, and BOTH candidates needed the unpledged SuperDelegates, Cenk Uyger goes on Larry King and tells Bernie to quit. 

• Jun 30, 2016:  Bill Clinton meets with Atty Gen. Loretta Lynch. (Likely conversation, "I recommend you don't prosecute Hillary".)

• July 5, 2016: FBI Comey, "no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case" against Clinton for storing classified information on a private server

• July 10, 2016: Seth Rich Murdered

• July 22, 2016: DNC Wikileaks Released

• July 24, 2016: Clinton Campaign Mgr Robby Mook hatches "Russian Hacking" story on ABC "This Week"

• July 24-25, 2016: NYT, WaPo, CNN, MSNBC all explode and saturate on "Russian Hacking" (which remains 10 months later. -- Isn't it bat-shit bonkers to pursue a story for 10 months with zero evidence?)

• July 25-28: DNC Philly, Bernie concedes, endorses HRC

One year later, the story still persists with ZERO evidence!!! 

As you can see, "Russian Hacking" dominated the news, and both Seth Rich and the DNC Wikileaks stories were displaced and faded from view quickly. This was the plan. Propaganda works!!


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